tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5737853305204847838.post5360694206623379892..comments2023-11-20T05:27:02.037+00:00Comments on GrogNews: Military Disdain?Branthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07482746543829626805noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5737853305204847838.post-49927763052611390752011-08-09T03:53:12.760+01:002011-08-09T03:53:12.760+01:00Hi folks, Justin from The Soldier-Citizen-Sapiens ...Hi folks, Justin from The Soldier-Citizen-Sapiens Project here.<br /><br />First of all, thank you Brant for giving us the look. I greatly appreciate it. I wanted to add some info to the discussion from the post.<br /><br />1. The civilian population actually HIGHLY regards the military, rating them the "most trusted" American organization, with 78% of poll respondents saying so.<br /><br />2. It is my conclusion that military disregard for civilian population is damaging to <i>military professionalism</i>. Either there is civilian control of the military, or there is not. The kind of behavior I bear witness to in the post (the examples Brant cited) are alarming, because they seem to reflect that the civilian population - the profession's "client" - is not being respected as such. <br /><br />It is a little hard to resolve the competing assertions that (a) the civilian is supposed to be in charge and (b) I shouldn't have to listen to those civilians who don't know what we're going through.<br /><br />I appreciate the discussion here, and I thank you again Brant for reposting.Justinhttp://scsblog.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5737853305204847838.post-86822752269102222702011-08-09T00:21:22.685+01:002011-08-09T00:21:22.685+01:00Ranger, I've been around the block a bit and h...Ranger, I've been around the block a bit and have never experienced 'complete disregard' for my service. I'm not saying it doesn't exist, but from what i've seen and heard, that type of behavior is the expection, not the rule.<br />What would you say the civilian population is out of touch with exactly? Yeah, they don't know what it is like to suck sand and hunker down during a rocket attack, but many Americans make sacrifices each and everyday.Matt Purvishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03538705471147112027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5737853305204847838.post-77286418383865445452011-08-09T00:19:57.932+01:002011-08-09T00:19:57.932+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Nancy@owensoliviahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09151925593548938961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5737853305204847838.post-73182552694300573172011-08-08T20:55:46.155+01:002011-08-08T20:55:46.155+01:00I disagree with that bloggers premise. The civilia...I disagree with that bloggers premise. The civilian population is who is out of touch, and there is nothing we can collectively do to make the military believe they are out of touch. Once you get past all of the BS PR rhetoric that comes out of the Pentagon and commanding authorities, the reality “on the ground” is that many within our armed services are disgusted by the complete disregard that many in the civilian world have toward them, and in hyper-isolated instances outright hostility directed towards those putting their lives on the line for us on a daily basis.<br /><br />The fat-ass civilian population cannot effectively fire the military, so that is a non-starter; however those in the military can quit when their enlistment/stop-loss is up, or if so desired simply refuse to fight.RangerX3Xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06935147333140536471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5737853305204847838.post-83772730855356993062011-08-08T19:56:43.289+01:002011-08-08T19:56:43.289+01:00Respectfully beg to differ...I have always felt th...Respectfully beg to differ...I have always felt that our armed forces should reflect and uphold the values of it's citizens, not the other way around. Granted, there are times when viewpoints will collide but ultimately it should be "society" not the "soldiery" who dictate values. The reason why we have ROE's that mandate things like "don't kill innocent civilians" is not to restrict or punish the soldiers, but to uphold the values that we believe in. If it becomes impossible to fight a battle / war without the overwhelming or reckless destruction of civilian life, then maybe we a) shouldn't be there or b) need to change our overall strategy.<br /><br />I don't think it is appropriate to assign a moral superiority to any group of individuals just because they suffer or sacrifice more than another. Although I respect and honor the men and women who serve, I don't regard them as better people with better values.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5737853305204847838.post-61841331575605868112011-08-08T13:45:48.699+01:002011-08-08T13:45:48.699+01:00From my point of view I agree, I am frustrated by ...From my point of view I agree, I am frustrated by what appears (key word there) to be uncaring, lax civilian leadership and civilian responses to military activities. But with only 2% of the US population being military or former military it is not hard to see how everyone else is not on board with military values or cares for what they do and how they conduct themselves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5737853305204847838.post-91751140506223267862011-08-07T22:43:19.612+01:002011-08-07T22:43:19.612+01:00Hi Brant,
If there is, I don't blame them. Th...Hi Brant,<br /><br />If there is, I don't blame them. They are the guys doing the fight and sacrificing everything, while the majority of us are sipping lattes. Shame on the civilians, this is a sorry state of affairs.<br /><br />Cheers,JChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00770262108283393835noreply@blogger.com